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Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Name that Kefirah!

One reason why so few people are willing to consider the possibility that the ban may have some merit is that so many false reasons have been given for it. I have a theory as to why that is, but I'll save that for another post. It should be clear by now that the reasons publicly given for the ban are misleading at best. There is one in particular though that I find particularly appalling, because it takes a powerful argument that I empathize with and twists it to support a ban that I vehemently oppose.

This simple, powerful, and utterly misleading explanation for the Slifkin ban is that we need to be Machmir when it comes to a Safek Kefirah. Even if the reasons to support the ban are not airtight, as long a case could be made that Kefirah may be involved we should be Choshes for that possibility. Now this is obviously not the real reason for the ban because the ban required Rabbi Slifkin to condemn and burn his books. If a Torah book only has a possibility of being kefirah you wouldn't burn it. The singers of the ban clearly felt the books were 100% Kefirah, not merely a Safek Kefirah.

There is however a more important reason why that argument is false. Despite the great importance of the Rambam's 13 Ikkarim, there are many Yesodei Hadas which Klal Yisroel is shockingly Maikel on. Since we are talking about the most serious issue imaginable, I think it only appropriate to play a favorite game of mine: “Name that Kefirah”. Below is a list of certain actions and beliefs that many frum Jews have. Please name which of the 13 Ikkarim each of them may violate, and if possible explain how precisely it would possibly violate them. Bonus points for when you can show it violates more than one of the 13 Ikkarim. The first person to email me all the correct answers will receive a PDF of Marc Shapiro's Torah U'Madda Journal article on the 13 Ikkarim. You could of course download it yourself, but that's not quite the same. Here is the list. I left out the all the Chas VaShalom's so that you can have the zechus of adding them yourself.

1) A shockingly large number of frum Jews believe that Hashem has emotions and that we make him happy when we do mitzvos and sad when we do aveiros.

2) Some frum Jews believe in various segulos that can protect us from an Ayin Harah, help us to recover lost objects, find a mate, or a parking space in Boro Park.

3) If there is one day a year in which you don't want to be a Min, it is on the Yom HaDin. (It's a long story but trust me on that one.) Despite that, the Ashkenazi Machzor has a prayer on that day directed to G-d's attribute of mercy. Additionally, the Tefillos on that day contain references to spiritual beings interceding on our behalf.

4) Many frum Jews believe there is a literal piece of G-d in every Jewish soul.

I won't even go into the recent heresies within a certain segment of Klal Yisroel and the idolatrous motivations behind them, but there have been some excellent books on the subject.

The point of this post is not to condemn the countless frum Jews who knowingly and unknowingly flirt with kefirah in each of the above cases. I have no problem being Dan L'Kaf Z'Chus and assuming that they must have who to rely on (though for at least one of the cases above I personally wouldn't bring non-mevushal wine to their homes). It should be clear though that each of the cases on the list above may possibly violate one or more of the Rambam's 13 Ikkarim. Whether they technically do so or not, they certainly go against the spirit of the 13 Ikkarim and it is safe to say that the Rambam himself would not approve of them. Moreover, that list has many more entries (where is Marc Shapiro when you need him). I've purposely kept this list much shorter than I could have in order to encourage people to find as many additions to it as they can (and to save my ammunition for the next time I play the game).

I've always wondered why Klal Yisroel was so Maikel on certain Yesodei Hadas. There are so many areas in Halacha where we pile Chumra upon Chumra, yet when it comes to being a Ben Olam HaBah we make no attempt to cover all the bases. You think this is the one area where you would want to be on the safe side. I'm sure there's a deep Sod in here somewhere; I just haven't found it yet.

If the Gedolim want to protect our Yesodei Hadas I'd be the first one to support them. However, let's begin with protecting the Rambam's 13 Ikkarim – which we all profess to believe in, before we begin adding new ones - especially when the new ones may very well lead to Kefirah. I realize that last remark contains a bold assertion, and I plan to back it up in a later post.

58 Comments:

At 1:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can add the recent letter in the Yated, about how if you don't face exactly Mizrach when you davven, your tefillos take longer to reach Hashem and might not reach him at all. Might not be bona fide kefirah, but definitely comes close!

 
At 1:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have a theory as to why that is, but I'll save that for another post."

Gee, the number of thigns you are saving for future posts keeps getting longer. If you don't get with the program, posterity will suffer!!!

 
At 1:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There is one in particular though that I find particularly appalling, because it takes a powerful argument that I empathize with and twists it to support a ban that I vehemently oppose.

This simple, powerful, and utterly misleading explanation for the Slifkin ban is that we need to be Machmir when it comes to a Safek Kefirah."

you've identified the wrong issue. The powerful idea to empathize with that is twisted is that it's a bad, truly lousy idea to popularize nontruths for kiruv purposes. Things that may be true - Ok, but things that are surely incorrect, bad idea.
That's why slifkin's approach should not be banned, b/c it has some merit, whereas other kiruv clown ideas about "Roles" of men vs women, newagey ideas, psuedokabbalistic nonsense, they are very dangerous.
And inevitably they worm their way in to the mainstream frum world and corrupt it. So that by now, half the things that I and other grouches my age identify as nouveau new-age nonsense, folks ten years younger than myself think of mainstream.

 
At 1:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Now this is obviously not the real reason for the ban because the ban required Rabbi Slifkin to condemn and burn his books. "

Oy are you lost.

"The first person to email me all the correct answers will receive a PDF of Marc Shapiro's Torah U'Madda Journal article on the 13 Ikkarim."

Gee, this is available for free at the YU site. Offer the book and I'll do the answers.

 
At 1:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(and to save my ammunition for the next time I play the game)."

you try too hard, really just loosen up. dont take yourself so seriously.


As for your thesis. You are not really right historically. Many people did and do oppose these practices and are makpid to avoid the tfilas you identify etc. One reason for not pushing this is the rapprochement between competing groups, post Holocaust; in other words, the tolerance for such is in large part historical, the banners didn't "win". But you shouldnt think that there werent movements to condemn such behaviors as kefira

Bottom line: I know more charedim who wouldnt drink nonmevushal wine for some of the practices you list than those who wouldnt drink nonmevushal wine with those who believe chazal erred on science.

 
At 1:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Many frum Jews believe there is a literal piece of G-d in every Jewish soul."

What do you mean with this? who are these jews?

I am also pretty sure that for this:

"A shockingly large number of frum Jews believe that Hashem has emotions and that we make him happy when we do mitzvos and sad when we do aveiros."

that people will say "do a mitzva, make god happy" but if you say "what?" they will say "not literally, kaviyochol, etc" and that this is thoughtless speech more than real belief.

 
At 5:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DBH said: "Many frum Jews believe there is a literal piece of G-d in every Jewish soul."
Anon responded:
What do you mean with this? who are these jews?

I'd say: this is why you see Kabbalah compared lehavdil to Gnosticism. How many times have you heard the one-line anthropology that "man is dust with a Divine spark"? It's a short step for too many from the "Divine spark" or the ruach insprited in Adam in Bereishit to the notion that all of us are walking around with a shard of G-d inside -- and that's Gnostic (but not an answer to DBH's question.)
As for segulos, they are pernicious superstition (but that also is not an answer to DBH.) When I was young, back in the 60s (19-, not 57-), I knew adults who wore mezuzot around their necks as jewelry/good-luck-charms. That was even worse.

 
At 7:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As for segulos, they are pernicious superstition (but that also is not an answer to DBH.) When I was young, back in the 60s (19-, not 57-), I knew adults who wore mezuzot around their necks as jewelry/good-luck-charms. That was even worse."

It's great living in the 60's, isn't it?
But anyway, proper course of action when someone's wearing a mezuza?
Kiss it, obviously! :)
-Alan Scott

 
At 10:02 AM, Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Some frum Jews believe in various segulos that can protect us from an Ayin Harah, help us to recover lost objects, find a mate, or a parking space in Boro Park.

No segula can help you find a parking space in Boropark!

 
At 10:15 AM, Anonymous Chaim said...

Steg suggests an interesting point. Suppose it does get you a parking space. Again and again. At some point can you draw an inference of cause and effect, i.e., does it become "science" you can believe in without kefirah?

 
At 10:32 AM, Anonymous Anon said...

Just the other day, after mumbling Aleinu 2,349 consecutive times, I decided to pay attention to it, and I discovered that it said the following:

The seat of His glory is in the heavens above,

And the dwelling place of His might is in the highest heights.

But didn't Uncle Moshe teach us that Hashem is here, Hashem is there, Hashem is truly everywhere?

What is a Jew to believe?

 
At 11:42 AM, Blogger Godol Hador said...

> What is a Jew to believe?

His seat and dewlling place are up there, but He gets around a lot.

 
At 12:34 PM, Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Chaim:

It doesn't matter, since no segula, zekhut avot, petitional prayer, or mystic ritual is powerful enough to get you a parking space in Boropark. The only thing that can is the grace-style neis galuy from God known as "everyone's up in the Catskills for the summer"! ;-)

(sorry; once someone mentions 'parking in boropark' all seriousness goes out the window as far as i'm concerned)

 
At 12:35 PM, Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Actually, i've heard people say that the "Hashem is here" song is heretical pantheism.

 
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At 11:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steg said:

"...no segula, zekhut avot, petitional prayer, or mystic ritual is powerful enough to get you a parking space in Boropark. The only thing that can is the grace-style neis galuy from God known as 'everyone's up in the Catskills for the summer'!"

But if you do get one, "take care lest you be decieved."


Chaim said:

Suppose it does get you a parking space. Again and again. At some point can you draw an inference of cause and effect, i.e., does it become "science" you can believe in without kefirah?

No this is a version of the Fallacy of Affirming the Consequent sometimes called the Fallacy of Induction. Consider:

(P, Q are declarative sentences).

If P then Q.
Q
Therefore P.

That looks like the valid

If P then Q
P
Therefore Q

but isn't, and isn't valid. Say it's true that if you stand on your head (P) you'll have a headache (Q). Now you have a headache -- does it follow you are standing on your head?
You can establish statistical correlations
in data that show that a Q probably follws or coincides with a P, yes. But the important line for P's and Q's to cross to "become 'science' " is that they be falsifiable. In the case of segulos or other superstition, that would mean that it has to be possible to put the supposition that they "work" to the test. Then the more trials in which they "work," the better for them; but the times they don't, falsify the hypothesis that they do. Unfortunately, as with astrology or the Drudge Report, people who believe in such things tend only to remember the odd time the talisman "worked" or the astrologer's prediction "came true," and forget all the times that falsified that confidence because the bad or the unpredicted happened instead. Human folly is considerable, but nobody covers himself in segulos and then lies down in front of a train (I hope).
Since some seem to resent Anon. contributions, my name is Daniel.

 
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At 6:23 PM, Blogger DarkBlueHat said...

It doesn't matter, since no segula, zekhut avot, petitional prayer, or mystic ritual is powerful enough to get you a parking space in Boropark.

Very true. If finding a mate is as hard as Krias Yam Suf, then finding a parking space in Boro Park is much harder than Krais Yam Suf. If the guy found a parking spot and didn't have to double park when picking up the girl for the date, it was a clear sign that the Hashkacha Pratis approved of the match. Nowadays in which we are on a lower level, guys have to use cell phones.

The real reason why I put that joke in the middle is because all such Segulos are Sheker, and they are counter to #11 of the Rambam's 13 Ikkarim.

I was hoping for someone to mention the "here there everywhere song". I'm surprised no one mentioned the less problematic but even more popular "Shalom Aleichem".

 
At 11:43 PM, Blogger Rebeljew said...

You left out an important one. Many people do a ceremony before the Yom HaDin involving a killing a chicken to represent an atonement for our sins. GEDOLIM forbade it, e.g. the Rashba, no doubt the greatest of his generation. So there we have a case where there is an issur of darkei emori karov l'akum chas v'chalila. We have the GEDOLIM banning the practice, and we do it anyway.

 
At 10:10 PM, Blogger DarkBlueHat said...

RJ - Many Gedolim banned the practice while other permitted it. Surely though Erev Yom Kippur is an especially good time to be machmir on these sorts of things. The list actually goes on though. Let's see if you can find 10...

 
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